Episode 380

That may have been a good way to handle it, but then its the question of would that be honoring the information they have from Miura? Maybe he even made it known specifically that Sonia was not to be the justification for it. We really cant say so I dont see the point dwelling on the finer details of it.
Did Falconia out of the sudden be situated near the sea side honored the information they had from Miura? What about the Bakiraka strong hold hidden in the mountains becoming a huge metropolis that the great wave of the astral world didn't reach yet?
 
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I cant bring myself to believe just yet that these people who were apparently close to Miura would handle things that way.
I can't believe either, I guarantee you it's the same for many people here. Yet it's what it is.
I just think its particularly egregious to introduce an idea in one chapter, then scrap it a couple chapters later.
Well then we agree, and it seems you find your own answer.
 
I dont think its a coincidence we feel the same way about Guts that Isidro and Silat do at the moment,
Of course not. The writers thought it would be really cool to portray the reader's feelings through Isidro and Silat. To me, it comes off as cheap drama. I don't know how many times I've seen this same scene in shounen stories. I cringed so hard when I saw that.

What I mean is that Im not so concerned with the details
Yet, here you are discussing details about Rakshas.

If Rakshas’ story is truly over with then that will mean they are presenting new ideas for virtually no reason, and will show their inability for storytelling in general.
They have been doing that for a while now. It is not the first time.

I just think its particularly egregious to introduce an idea in one chapter, then scrap it a couple chapters later.
Agreed. Welcome to the continuation. :daiba:
 
Of course not. The writers thought it would be really cool to portray the reader's feelings through Isidro and Silat. To me, it comes off as cheap drama. I don't know how many times I've seen this same scene in shounen stories. I cringed so hard when I saw that.
I don't know about all that, seems like standard interpersonal relations. Especially since characters are reaching the same conclusion on it one after the other, its likely going somewhere. Not to mention Puck's had that role more or less since the beginning.
Yet, here you are discussing details about Rakshas.
Well yes, I think Rakshas details are probably the most important thing to be thinking about after that last chapter. The deviations the continuation are taking seem to be putting us on the fast track for a finale. Zodd being in Elfhelm to transport Griffith and Casca, writing out the the Kushan hidden mountain village, writing out background characters from Elfhelm, Falconia suddenly having a port, etc... These are deliberate short cuts in my opinion, details being left out because the details don't exist. I don't have very high expectations of them, I'm not expecting them to know what they don't know, I'm just expecting an ending. Maybe we'll get answers later that contextualizes some of these things but I wouldn't hold my breathe. Whereas this whole Rakshas situation does not get us to the end, it does the opposite - it complicates things. If they wanted to show us that Guts is borderline suicidal then they could have done that in any number of ways, but instead they weaved this weird web that poses one too many questions for Rakshas' death to be the end of it, imo.
Agreed. Welcome to the continuation. :daiba:
Haha why thank you, it is nice discussing with people who know the story well.
 
I don't know about all that, seems like standard interpersonal relations. Especially since characters are reaching the same conclusion on it one after the other, its likely going somewhere. Not to mention Puck's had that role more or less since the beginning.

The characters aren't reaching any conclusion, though. Silat's just acting irrationally; he's angry for no logical reason. He had Guts chained in a dungeon cell because the conceit was that he's "very dangerous", even though it's obviously untrue. And so what did he expect him to do? Strain against the chain? Why does he even care? It's all meaningless. Nothing is learned from it either. Silat has to be dragged away while practically frothing at the mouth. It'd be comical if it weren't so pathetic. The scene isn't faithful at all to his character, and needless to say it's not faithful to Guts' character either.

As I said earlier in my episode review, humiliating Guts seems to be the only goal here, and that's been going on for over 10 episodes at this point. There has been no development whatsoever on that front. Comparing this to Puck and Guts' interactions over the course of the series is offensive to me, they're nothing alike.

The deviations the continuation are taking seem to be putting us on the fast track for a finale. Zodd being in Elfhelm to transport Griffith and Casca, writing out the the Kushan hidden mountain village, writing out background characters from Elfhelm, Falconia suddenly having a port, etc... These are deliberate short cuts in my opinion, details being left out because the details don't exist.

But... None of these changes accelerate the pace of the story, nor could they make up for a lack of information. Griffith could have left Skellig without Zodd, the group could have gotten to Falconia quickly without it being a seaside city, the way magic works in the world of Berserk didn't need to change, the Kushan empire didn't need to be revived, etc.

I think you're conflating two things that are happening at the same time. The first is that yes, they are going straight for the ending, but that's not surprising. What is surprising is how much they're dragging things out as they do it. The second is that they are significantly altering the world and characters so they fit the bastardized version of the story they've cooked up. And that is not just unnecessary but also unjustifiable as far as I'm concerned.

They started this project by saying they would stay faithful to Miura's vision. That was their big promise. "We will write the manga so as not to deviate from Mr. Miura’s own words." Well this ain't it.

Whereas this whole Rakshas situation does not get us to the end, it does the opposite - it complicates things.

So do all these other changes. :shrug:

Let me quote you something I wrote earlier in the thread. I feel like it summarizes things perfectly.

This episode feels like it concludes this little Kushan saga that’s been going on since episode 373. Amazingly, nothing has really changed in all that time. Guts is still useless, Schierke is still on her way to find Casca, Silat is still somehow commanding the Kushan nation.

I find this enlightening because I think it reveals how very little the Continuation team knows of Miura’s plans for the story. Why show all of that stuff if it amounts to nothing? Well, because showing it was the point. They knew Guts’ group was supposed to meet with Rickert and the Bakiraka eventually. They also knew Rakshas was going to attack the Bakiraka’s stronghold. And… that seems to be it.

Both things were already obvious a decade ago, when volume 38 came out. They don’t require any insider knowledge. What we don’t know is how it would have happened exactly, and clearly neither do they. That’s why every single episode they’ve produced has been filled to the brim with errors and inconsistencies ranging from how the world works to how characters act and speak.
 
From what I've seen in Miura's last interview, he was gonna put more emphasis on Skull Knight.

This continuation completely deviated from that, so yeah, they aren't being faithful to Miura's vision at all.
The characters aren't reaching any conclusion, though. Silat's just acting irrationally; he's angry for no logical reason. He had Guts chained in a dungeon cell because the conceit was that he's "very dangerous", even though it's obviously untrue. And so what did he expect him to do? Strain against the chain? Why does he even care? It's all meaningless. Nothing is learned from it either. Silat has to be dragged away while practically frothing at the mouth. It'd be comical if it weren't so pathetic. The scene isn't faithful at all to his character, and needless to say it's not faithful to Guts' character either.

As I said earlier in my episode review, humiliating Guts seems to be the only goal here, and that's been going on for over 10 episodes at this point. There has been no development whatsoever on that front. Comparing this to Puck and Guts' interactions over the course of the series is offensive to me, they're nothing alike.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Guts being without the Berserker Armor a little strange?
First of all, why they didn't show that?
Then did he really let someone take out the armor?
He still has some pretty bad wounds so it's not like he can resist without it for a long time, without having any pain.

I really doubt though that they would remember this, since they are forgetting/not caring about much more important plot points.
 
From what I've seen in Miura's last interview, he was gonna put more emphasis on Skull Knight.

This continuation completely deviated from that, so yeah, they aren't being faithful to Miura's vision at all.

More precisely that's from the short video he made for the exhibition. Anyway, not to go over it again but there were clearly a lot of things that had been set up for later developments on Skellig that the Continuation purely and simply scrapped. That's why we could tell early on that things weren't right.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Guts being without the Berserker Armor a little strange?
First of all, why they didn't show that?
Then did he really let someone take out the armor?
He still has some pretty bad wounds so it's not like he can resist without it for a long time, without having any pain.

Presumably it was removed so he would pose less of a threat, which then makes you wonder why he's locked up in a dungeon instead of being cared for in a hospital. This brings us back to what I was saying earlier in the thread: the point is to humiliate him, because apparently it's the only way they know how to convey that he's at his lowest point (instead of, say, through his internal dialogue).

what's the possibility of fussing the behelit with the Dragon Slayer? found this in a yt short

0%. It doesn't make sense. How would it even work?
 
not sure how but the same way skull knight did it with some sort of magic

Wouldn't work, the Skull Knight uses a technique that only he can perform (because he's a hollow armor), and it requires a lot of beherits to cover his standard-sized sword. Imagine Guts scraping his meager beherit on the Dragon Slayer like someone with not enough butter for his huge piece of toast.
 
what's the possibility of fussing the behelit with the Dragon Slayer? found this in a yt short
I agree with Aazealh and Scott Rugeles in that I think it's not going to happen,. Though it was introduced as a weapon technique against the God Hand, the beherit-sword's purpose was ultimately subverted by Femto. So in my opinion, that card has been played.

However, many have toyed with the idea over the years, and there's one that I like hypothetically: In a final act of self-sacrifice, SK could urge Guts to plunge the DS through him, giving Guts' sword the same properties as the beherit-sword, but killing SK in the process. And while that could work ... it still doesn't feel quite right, to me. :shrug:In the end, I don't think the crucial turning point will be a surprise weapon technique. I feel like Casca and the boy have an important role to play in bringing down Femto.

Similarly, there are endless theories about WHO WILL USE GUTS' BEHERIT online. But similarly, I really don't think it's going to be a conventional usage. What would be the point? Miura will have had something special in mind for this beherit, which has been with him since the beginning, and it won't just be another sacrifice.
 
Though it was introduced as a weapon technique against the God Hand, the beherit-sword's purpose was ultimately subverted by Femto. So in my opinion, that card has been played.

I have to disagree with that. That it failed once doesn't mean it couldn't possibly work or wouldn't be used again.

In a final act of self-sacrifice, SK could urge Guts to plunge the DS through him, giving Guts' sword the same properties as the beherit-sword, but killing SK in the process. And while that could work ... it still doesn't feel quite right, to me.

Yeah that's a terrible idea. :ganishka:
 
I have to disagree with that. That it failed once doesn't mean it couldn't possibly work or wouldn't be used again.
It's okay that we disagree from time to time. What was Zodd doing up on that hill anyway?! :guts:

It is probably too much to say that it would have never been used again. I was primarily responding to @chudi's question of it being a potential Femto Killer. I think the technique was meant to be a surprise against the God Hand—something he was careful about using, as he expressed in the Qliphoth. And in the end, he was right to be careful, because it was predicted and planned around. But maybe the surprise element would end up irrelevant if it could still land a hit.
 
What was Zodd doing up on that hill anyway?! :guts:

It's a cliff!!!

It is probably too much to say that it would have never been used again. I was primarily responding to @chudi's question of it being a potential Femto Killer. I think the technique was meant to be a surprise against the God Hand—something he was careful about using, as he expressed in the Qliphoth. And in the end, he was right to be careful, because it was predicted and planned around. But maybe the surprise element would end up irrelevant if it could still land a hit.

To be clear I don't think the Skull Knight will play a direct role in Femto's death. I don't believe he'll even be present during the final confrontation. I do think he could take out one of the other four with it, though.
 
To be clear I don't think the Skull Knight will play a direct role in Femto's death. I don't believe he'll even be present during the final confrontation. I do think he could take out one of the other four with it, though.
So in your mind it would be Guts & co. vs Femto, and SK alone against any other GH?

Not that I don't believe that SK is in a different level, but "defeating" a God Hand member alone is crazy, even though SK has being trying this for a thousand years.
 
you guys think that rakshas is truly dead? if yes then, as previously brought up, wheres the tornado and his human form? also what was the point of nonsensically teleporting him to this place via his new chest buster ability if he died for nothing? it can't be this bad, can it..?
 
wheres the tornado and his human form? also what was the point of nonsensically teleporting him to this place via his new chest buster ability if he died for nothing? it can't be this bad, can it..?

I feel like you've already answered your own questions. And let's be real, it's not like it'd make more sense if he were somehow revived.
 
The continuation has been this bad all along
I had the tiniest glimpse of hope and positivity when they showed guts in the middle of the chapter and not in the last few pages only for it to be immediately ruined by near character assassination of guts and the pointless death of rakshas.

What is y'all's prediction on when guts is going to do something significant? Chapter 400?
 
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