kimchan
"Should I be overcome by the vapors?
First of all, Lady Paradise_Lost, PLEASE learn to quote instead of posting six or seven messages in a row.
I've looked through the translations *I* have from volume 23 on. I only found about 3 or 4 references to the church at all. It was referred to as "the Vatican" only once. Every other time, it was the High Church, Supreme Council, or just "order."
BUT, as Olivier and others have pointed out many times already, this doesn't prove anything, just as YOUR translations prove nothing because they're both only translations. They aren't set in stone or dead accurate, ever. They're just secondhand sources giving us the idea of what's being said and going on. Each individual translator uses their own discretion making these texts, so things often slip in that actually just don't work. Olivier, on the other hand, isn't reading from someone's translation of these volumes, he's reading the manga itself as he knows Japanese. Until you can read Japanese well enough to actually be able to read and translate the manga, I suggest you stop rambling on about "feelings" and listen to what he says, because he knows what he's talking about.
Going along with that, it's pretty obvious that Berserk is not based in actual history for the most part and is not set in the actual Europe that existed in Medieval times. So it's safe to say that it makes little sense to have the Church's headquarters called "the Vatican."
Be careful not to make assumptions. There are a lot of things in Berserk that have been repeated over and over to the point that they seem like fact, when actually we just don't know.
I've looked through the translations *I* have from volume 23 on. I only found about 3 or 4 references to the church at all. It was referred to as "the Vatican" only once. Every other time, it was the High Church, Supreme Council, or just "order."
BUT, as Olivier and others have pointed out many times already, this doesn't prove anything, just as YOUR translations prove nothing because they're both only translations. They aren't set in stone or dead accurate, ever. They're just secondhand sources giving us the idea of what's being said and going on. Each individual translator uses their own discretion making these texts, so things often slip in that actually just don't work. Olivier, on the other hand, isn't reading from someone's translation of these volumes, he's reading the manga itself as he knows Japanese. Until you can read Japanese well enough to actually be able to read and translate the manga, I suggest you stop rambling on about "feelings" and listen to what he says, because he knows what he's talking about.
Going along with that, it's pretty obvious that Berserk is not based in actual history for the most part and is not set in the actual Europe that existed in Medieval times. So it's safe to say that it makes little sense to have the Church's headquarters called "the Vatican."
Be careful not to make assumptions. There are a lot of things in Berserk that have been repeated over and over to the point that they seem like fact, when actually we just don't know.