Walter said:It's not the first time Guts encountered an Elf. He used to have them as a late-night snack.
Nice one, with the marinated elf
But you've forgotten to add some of that Sea God bouillabaisse there
Walter said:It's not the first time Guts encountered an Elf. He used to have them as a late-night snack.
Surakemastura said:I just hope the flower doesn't get crushed in the duel...
Surakemastura said:from what Mr. Miura has said this story is pretty much bound to leave a bad experience to Guts.
Rhombaad said:On contrary, Miura said this story would be "warm", which is why I'm fairly confident Chich will return by the end of it.
Rhombaad said:On contrary, Miura said this story would be "warm", which is why I'm fairly confident Chich will return by the end of it.
jackson_hurley said:But I thought this 3 parter was to explained why Guts was uncomfortable with elves... I don't see how succeeding in replanting the flower would make him uncomfortable? Just wondering of course..
Grail said:Anyway, like a few folks have already mentioned, it probably won't be clear that Chich is being restored right away, so Guts may never know if she ever fully recovered. Us readers will hopefully get the whole story though.
I think she's an Elf but not a Pisky.flagawax said:... Nice break ...
But I need to understand ... "Chich" is not an elf ... she doesn't have wings ...
... she's an another sort of spiritual member ?
Thx
Rhombaad said:On contrary, Miura said this story would be "warm", which is why I'm fairly confident Chich will return by the end of it.
flagawax said:But I need to understand ... "Chich" is not an elf ... she doesn't have wings ...
Aazealh said:The announcement that it would be "warm" came from the YA advertisement, actually.
Chich is an elf. There are many different kind of elves in the Berserk world, as we've known for many years. The known species of elves are Piskies, associated with wind; and Dwarves, associated with earth. Chich is just a different kind of elf.MrWeatherby said:Anyway, I was pointing out that it's likely a nymph, not an elf, unless Miura is allowing the two to be interchangeable. Nymphs are typically grounded to a specific location or object, are female, and almost always related to nature.
Walter said:Chich is an elf. There are many different kind of elves in the Berserk world, as we've known for many years. The known species of elves are Piskies, associated with wind; and Dwarves, associated with earth. Chich is just a different kind of elf.
It's more like we just don't know the full extent of the species yet. Maybe there's something like a nymph among elves, but it doesn't change what Chich is. She was likely an introduction to one of the many other species we'll learn more about in Elfhelm. We talked about all this stuff two weeks ago in the last podcast.MrWeatherby said:Fair enough, though it still sounds to me like Miura's confusing elves with nymphs.
We see a silhouette of them in volume 14, when SK is talking about the history of Godo's mine. At the time he merely calls them elves (妖精), and we infer based on their design that they're dwarves. Dwarves also crafted the Berserk's Armor. So yeah, we've heard of them a few times.Also what the hell, when were there dwarves?
Sounds like bad advice to me.Jesus Miura, find a fantasy level and stick to it.
MrWeatherby said:Fair enough, though it still sounds to me like Miura's is confusing elves with nymphs.
MrWeatherby said:I guess I just forgot over time how Miura likes to blanket so many different things as being elves.
MrWeatherby said:All-in-all I'd still say this thing is an elf-nymph.
Aazealh said:Sounds to me like you don't know what you're talking about.
MrWeatherby said:I forgot that Berserk is literally "elves all the way down."
MrWeatherby said:The whole "elves are related to specific landforms" thing is a pretty blatant holdover from nymph lore, though.
MrWeatherby said:If there's a dwarf that's an elf, how is it a stretch to assume that this thing absolutely can be a nymph similarly blanketed by the term "elf."
MrWeatherby said:All I'm saying is miura is ripping off ferngully
MrWeatherby said:The fact remains that I personally still see quite a bit of crossover with nymphs, which is just like, my opinion, man. I dont quite get the repulsion to someone being able to find that bleedover and speculate that the mythology could at least be borrowed. If I'm wrong then the only person who has their perception effected is me.
MrWeatherby said:I do stand by the blanketing thing, because honestly that's not even a slight. I could go on all day about the differences I've seen in everything called an elf in this story
Aazealh said:Actually, they're called "yousei" in the manga, which usually refers to elves. However the guys shown in the picture didn't look like typical elves (i.e. Puck), so the translator went for "fair folk" instead. In volume 26, when Schierke refers to the dwarves, "dwarf" is in furigana and the kanji is basically "miner sei" (from yousei), so miner elves or miner spirits. So in short, it's definitely possible to me that the "yousei" that lived in Godot's mine were actually dwarves (a different variation of "yousei" from the piskies, what Puck and Ivalera are), but it isn't sure for now. This also means that we might see dwarves in Elfhelm.
Aazealh said:Actually, Ivalera calls him a piskie/piskey (ピスキー) and not a pixie, which is a variation of the spelling in old English and French. Usual Miura stuff. The kanji accompanying it means "spirit of the wing", and they are kindred of the elemental spirits of the wind (some kind of descendants). She is also a piskie herself.
I'm glad you're talking about that actually because it gives me the opportunity to clarify again the different words used to denominate our little friends:
There's "yousei" (妖精), that's a generic term of some sort (can mean elf, fairy, sprite...). The dwarves and other creatures that are very succinctly hinted at would be "yousei". Then there's "elf" in katakana which refers to... Elves, specifically (often used as furigana with the kanji "yousei"). And "piskie", which is also uniquely employed to talk about Puck and Ivalera (and their kin).
SK calls the King of the Flower Storm the king and master of "yousei", so I think we might indeed see some other types of "yousei" in Elfhelm, closer to other elemental realms and not just wind. Whether they'll be called elves (エルフ) or just be another kind of "yousei", I don't know. It's still called Elfhelm though.