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Tower of Babel? How do you figure that?Sounds like Femto is crafting his own Tower of Babel.
Tower of Babel? How do you figure that?Sounds like Femto is crafting his own Tower of Babel.
Sounds like Femto is crafting his own Tower of Babel.
I know that language wasn't specifically brought up yet but Griffith has signaled his desire to unite various ethnic/racial groups together under the banner of his empire and historically speaking, language has been one of the strongest cultural markers of a nation's identity. Along with a state religion - one already long prepared, whose savior's boots Griffith has comfortably slid into - language has been effectively used to unite disparate groups within multinational empires and forge a common identity. A perfect example is America's global empire; just look at how many different peoples speak English - not just merchants or aristocrats - I mean , a common Frenchman like yourself casually converses in the language of a nation who was at war with yours for several centuries and I successfully work together with people from diverse places as Vietnam and Mexico.First off, I strongly disagree with Wenliinvictus' take that Griffith's intentions are benevolent and that the big deal will just be whether people care when they learned he sacrificed his troops.
Second, I don't think it's pertinent to compare Falconia to the myth of the Tower of Babel. Language doesn't come into play here and there's no adversarial relationship to God. If anything Griffith is an envoy of God...
First off, I strongly disagree with Wenliinvictus' take that Griffith's intentions are benevolent and that the big deal will just be whether people would care if they learned that he sacrificed his troops.
I know that language wasn't specifically brought up yet but Griffith has signaled his desire to unite various ethnic/racial groups together under the banner of his empire and historically speaking, language has been one of the strongest cultural markers of a nation's identity. Along with a state religion - one already long prepared, whose savior's boots Griffith has comfortably slid into - language has been effectively used to unite disparate groups within multinational empires and forge a common identity.
To elucidate further on the biblical reference, the construction of Babel is seen as a sign of Man's growing wickedness and belief that God can be challenged. While Griffith may be an envoy of Berserk's God, that God in question is also the Idea of Evil; we don't have enough info to determine it's exact plans but I don't think it odd to believe that such an entity might wish to fan the flames of mankind's sinful behaviors. I'm not too familiar with Jewish scripture but I've heard mention the Babel story as well as others in the Torah are used as warnings against the dangers of absolute monarchy; if united together, it'd be easy for humans to fall under the sway of one ruler, and that man being fallen will naturally abuse such magnificent powers: which I imagine holds doubly true in the case of a Demon King.
He may be able to win his people over despite that, he nearly lost face when the war demons all revealed their true forms, but thanks to Sonia, the people of Falconia now accept hideous monsters as their comrades. I don't expect Midlanders to care about the Eclipse, or even the Tower of Conviction ceremony considering there are barely any survivors connected to those events.
It raises some interesting questions, cultural assimilation was a problem for many empires and imperialist powers of today, How far can Griffith go with his empire building? is it just the continent he wants to rule, or will his empire extend to the whole of Eurasia, perhaps even the New World? Will Zodd and friends have to fight off Wendigos and Rainbow serpents?
He's called the "boy in the moonlight", which we tend to abbreviate as Moonlight Boy. "Moon child" is a step too far though, the boy doesn't come from the moon...
I specifically meant current events, such as Griffith sending the spirits of his fallen soldiers to "where they will become one", or him actually causing the blast of the astral world.
How far can Griffith go with his empire building? is it just the continent he wants to rule, or will his empire extend to the whole of Eurasia, perhaps even the New World?
To elucidate further on the biblical reference, the construction of Babel is seen as a sign of Man's growing wickedness and belief that God can be challenged. While Griffith may be an envoy of Berserk's God, that God in question is also the Idea of Evil; we don't have enough info to determine it's exact plans but I don't think it odd to believe that such an entity might wish to fan the flames of mankind's sinful behaviors. I'm not too familiar with Jewish scripture but I've heard mention the Babel story as well as others in the Torah are used as warnings against the dangers of absolute monarchy; if united together, it'd be easy for humans to fall under the sway of one ruler, and that man being fallen will naturally abuse such magnificent powers: which I imagine holds doubly true in the case of a Demon King.
Take a day off, for once in your life.
When the group returns and finds how things have changed on the continent, they'll all be in a similar situation to the small little encounters Schierke had. She took a stand against something that was unnatural and offensive to her (slave trading, bodies not being properly taken care of) that was the norm under the garrison state of the Holy See's occupation. And when she sees the changes wrought by Falconia, it'll be the same for her and the group — only writ large. Whatever norms will exist about the extermination of astral creatures, they'll be firmly established by the time they arrive.
Do you guys think we will see other cultures/kingdoms in future episodes? Seems like Griffith is hell-bent (pun intended) on conquering the whole world.
Also, I hope we are not reaching the end here, I know about the upcoming duel between Griffith and Guts, but I would love to see plenty of new stuff before it ends, like new characters/creatures/locations.
Also, I hope we are not reaching the end here, I know about the upcoming duel between Griffith and Guts, but I would love to see plenty of new stuff before it ends, like new characters/creatures/locations. The story is progressing nicely, though.
Don't worry, the story is not ending any time soon. We are getting closer to the end with each passing episode of course, but it's not going to happen within three volumes or anything.
You just sort of solved the puzzle you presented. Sonia could mentally broadcast the events of the Eclipse just as she broadcast the defense of Griffith and the apostles. It's more of a question of if Miura wants to go that route, not if he could.
It's still an event detached from the average Midlander, it's a horrific event for us because we experience it from the Falcons point of view, but from the perspective of the world of Berserk the former band of the Falcon aren't that important.
Griffith could conjure up many explanations for it that don't end in "Yes that's me in the purple exoskeleton".
People already know they're man eaters, seeing apostles out of context eating randos in armour isn't anything new.That seems to presume Miura couldn't portray it in a dramatic way that would have an impact on people. Apostles chewing on soldiers hungrily might not be a great look.
Well he could theoretically write anything, I just don't think he should go down the route of using the Eclipse as a smoking gun to prove to the world how evil Griffith is.What if that mental burst happens just as Femto's true form is forced to appear? Case closed. Like I said before, it's more of a question of if Miura wants to go that route, not if he could.
The means are almost arbitrary. One could dream up a dozen different ways to convey Griffith's evil origins to the people in a way that would be significant. But in question is whether they're all destined to remain blind sheep, or maybe just a select few will learn the truth (Mule, Raban, Sonia, etc. Seem poised.)
Are you proposing the scenario would play out like that? The exposing moment happens, and Griffith attempts to say "not me!" ? Because that sounds pretty unlikely.
Wasn't the continent already dominated by humans? So humans re-taking the continent is a return to the natural order of things.
These aren't happy fairy rainbow unicorns Griffith is fighting, they're evil nightmare hellspawn literally out of a Bosch painting.
I don't see Griffith's conquest plans as being a greater evil.
Wasn't the continent already dominated by humans? So humans re-taking the continent is a return to the natural order of things. These aren't happy fairy rainbow unicorns Griffith is fighting, they're evil nightmare hellspawn literally out of a Bosch painting.
There's no guarantee that exterminating astral creatures whether they're malevolent or not will have lasting effects on the world
undermining the astral world is what probably caused an over abundance of Barytes in the first place
humans can't see elves
there are few places that can ward off evil spirits, the ones that do are ancient abandoned relics.
Who knows what will happen if Griffith nukes their imaginations
bear in mind the God Hand's next objective is likely corporeal bodies for the remaining four members, and they can only manifest in dominions of pure malevolence, the pure opposite of environments like Elfhelm.
Not only that, mankind, at least the western world of Berserk is completely ignorant in the ways of magic, which would normally make easy work against pure astral creatures and evil spirits, forcing them to rely on the power of war demons whether they want to or not.
What are you talking about? He's fighting trolls, giants, goblins and the like. Not "hellspawn".
Exterminating astral creatures isn't "the natural order of things", and given that Femto deliberately provoked the merger, this is all being done for a specific reason, to achieve a particular goal.
And we literally first saw unicorns appear when the worlds merged. Do you think these are being kindly taken care of by Falconia's armies? What about elves? Do you think they're best friends with apostles?
Does anyone (mainly Aazealh since he has a pretty good track record of foresight) think that looking at Griffith's dialogue in a meta way sort of makes it seem that this is the foreshadowing of what we'll see in the inevitable timeskip? I'm looking at it in a western storytelling way since that's all I know so I could be wrong but, it just seems like all this future planning that would take years to happen is being told for the sake of letting us know exactly what has went on when we get back to falconia in guts and co's perspective. I'm having a rough time trying to think of how to explain this so excuse me if it doesn't make sense but, This info dump of the plans we get that would take multiple years to come to fruition seems like something we're getting told about as if we're gonna see them sooner than later
We saw the armies of hell led by the other God Hand members marching against humanity in Episode 307. Aren't the evil creatures literally the manifestation of mankind's wicked thoughts? I thought the trolls, giants, rat plagues, etc. are allied with the God Hand? Ubik was having a dinner party in that guy's ass!
Organizing themselves and fighting back isn't evil. Hell Guts would probably help them.
At this point we don't know if Griffith (the author) even has a plan and it's amusing how everyone is seeing a little Touch of Evil in everything he does. Because he's The Bad Guy. No shades of grey in Berserk.
You're saying that allowing the other God Hand to lay waste to everything, leading armies of evil beings
Of course Femto provoked the merger, we know what his goal was. To gain a corporeal body and become the messiah fulfilling something something.
We don't know. All the creatures we've seen so far are evil. Is it pro-Griffith propaganda? I doubt the elves and unicorns have organized armies and are carrying around banners made of people. I think Puck may be the only elf who left the island.
And I'd think man's dominion over all things would apply to unicorns, in the Biblical sense.
Griffith would looks quite smashing and gay getting pulled around by unicorns. (I don't mean gay the bad way internet douches mean when they talk about Griffith. I mean it the good way it's meant to be defined, festive and fancy free. You know, his body is his, you go girl! Whoo!)
There's obviously a point here about messiahs and followers but we're still reading Dune, we haven't reached Dune Messiah yet. It'll be up to the author to decide if the betrayal turns out to be an oppressive form of government (I'd consider this weak-they asked for it, and when you're crawling in shit you follow the shiny guy) or a betrayal to achieve greater glory. (Conquering the world? Overthrowing the other God Hand? There's better answers and less likely answers) It seems with the implementation of socialism we're on our way to a conclusion, the first time I've seen the possibility of this finishing in my lifetime.
One other note as far as hellspawn, not relevant but interesting. The Jotunn will be fighting the Gods when Ragnarok happens. Sutr, a Jotunn, will fight Freya wielding a flaming sword, afterwards flames will engulf the earth. Sutr guards guards the realm of fire, Muspellheim. The gates of Muspelheim will break and the sons of Muspell will burst forth at the start of the apocalypse.
Speaking of hell, I'm wondering if the souls of the dead that are communing with the living are going to join Wyald, the Count, and our other friends in the Abyss.
I'm thinking if we're going to have a flashback to the Skullknight's and Void's story it's going to be in the near future. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if we skipped it.
Does anyone (mainly Aazealh since he has a pretty good track record of foresight) think that looking at Griffith's dialogue in a meta way sort of makes it seem that this is the foreshadowing of what we'll see in the inevitable timeskip? I'm looking at it in a western storytelling way since that's all I know so I could be wrong but, it just seems like all this future planning that would take years to happen is being told for the sake of letting us know exactly what has went on when we get back to falconia in guts and co's perspective. I'm having a rough time trying to think of how to explain this so excuse me if it doesn't make sense but, This info dump of the plans we get that would take multiple years to come to fruition seems like something we're getting told about as if we're gonna see them sooner than later