CnC said:
And you're conceding because you would rather have a baseless argument than provide any substantial evidence.
I don't need to provide any evidence when it's obvious I'm right. You make funny claims, don't back them up, recognize it's bullshit rather than doing it, then tell me that I should prove it wrong while arguing that you were just innocently commenting on your memory sucking ass and not trying to make a point. What a joke, really.
CnC said:
Oh my, a gamefaqs top ten list! You know you've reached a really low point in your life when you resort to that sort of stuff to support your point. Too bad this doesn't really have anything to do with the argument, nor proves your point or anything. Nice to see Goldeneye 007 in that old GameSpot top ten list though.
CnC said:
My point remains that your comment about there being no competition on the platform is wrong, and is still wrong.
I didn't say there was no competition on the platform. Again, you're putting words in my mouth to just conveniently assert your vague point. And I was talking about how the franchise originally established its fanbase as I've already told you (though I recognize I should have originally precised it). Have you been ignoring it for the sole purpose or arguing on the same thing again and again? Besides, you yourself went farther than me earlier by calling what I thought in all honesty was the biggest competition on the platform in recent years merely decent. I have trouble seeing the problem here to be frank. When Halo came out on Xbox it was tooted as its "killer app" by Microsoft and hyped to death. It was the Xbox' first success and the fan base it built up was maintained for years to come, only to grow even more with Halo 2's release and a multiplayer supporting the Xbox Live.
When Halo was released, I maintain that the FPS genre wasn't strong on consoles. I even remember everybody praising the fact that the game's controls worked better than anybody thought was possible for a console FPS at the time. In fact, for all intents and purposes I'd even say that it was the first really successful modern FPS on any console (RARE games on N64 being a precedent, but the multiplayer was very limited due to the lack of online play). You can say that many shooters were released on the console after that, but that wasn't my point and I'm not contesting it, although like I pointed out, not many directly and successfully rivaled with it.
CnC said:
Jesus, I'm having serious doubts about your ability to read here. Read my bloody post. In response to your response to Scorpio's review of it being a shinier new Halo, you claimed
Hahaha, now you're getting angry over trivial stuff man. That's why I shouldn't get in debates with fanboys I guess.
Should you learn to read/write maybe? You say I claimed something in response to my own response? Don't think I've started replying to myself yet.
CnC said:
that it was a lack of competition in the FPS console market that makes it (Halo 3) a success.
Guess you really should learn to read, after all. I said there wouldn't be as much
hype over the whole franchise (and presently, over Halo 3) if it wasn't the Xbox's flagship title and just a popular series on a multiplatform environment for example. I'm not even talking about the vague and subjective notion of "success", just the
hype we've been seeing recently. You know, Halo 3 all over the Internet, people saying Halo 3 is the second coming of the Christ, the be-all end-all video game, godsent and never to be equalled again in the future? The sensationalist newspaper articles that have been reporting on it without even understanding half of what it's about? Because you have nothing to say you're trying to distort my words but unfortunately that's just not going to work. I didn't say Halo 3 wasn't a good game, or that the Halo franchise didn't deserve its success, and certainly not that it wasn't successful or God knows what else. I was just commenting on the hype it's receiving. Maybe that's why you don't get over the whole "quote" thing, because quotes make it hard for you to twist around what others say?
CnC said:
It may have been the case that there wasn't enough FPS competition for Halo 1, but the fact that Halo (as a franchise) STILL remains an influential force in the industry is an achievement.
So this is the second misunderstanding we're having here it seems. We've already addressed Halo: Combat Evolved's competition and apparently you agree with me in that regard, so let's concentrate on the achievement comment. Again, the notion of achievement is really subjective here and no matter what you say, it could be argued that it's a matter of opinion. Now, keep in mind that I didn't say the Halo series wasn't influential, nor even that it wasn't an "achievement" for it to be popular. I just said that I didn't think it was necessarily a bigger achievement to
keep a very popular franchise popular than to release a new IP in a new market that met a great success like for example Gears of War. I always thought this was a widely understood notion so far, one that's been proved times and times again when popular franchises would sell regardless of the quality of the games (Japanese RPGs, Dynasty Warriors...) while some original IPs would be completely ignored (God of War sell very poorly till it went Platinum, Ôkami selling very poorly, period, etc). There are tons of similar examples.
In this regard and considering the development context and announcements, Halo 3 being a big success doesn't surprise me in the least and doesn't amaze me either (nor does it seem to surprise anybody), I can safely say that I saw it coming, just like I can tell that Super Mario Galaxy will sell well on the Wii. You are free to consider its continued popularity (or relevancy, whatever that's supposed to mean) as an incredible achievement in the face of adversity, going against all odds and hardly equalled in the industry, but don't try to pass it off as a straight fact and don't act like that changes anything to what I said about the hype it's receiving.
CnC said:
Again you assume that nobody was trying to achieve Halo-like success.
No, I don't assume that. Doesn't change anything to what I said anyway.
CnC said:
There are way too many goddamn shooters on the xbox 360. Why? Because they're all trying to tap into that market that plays mother-fucking HALO.
Hahaha, cussing already? And there's no hyphen in "motherfucking". Also, the proportion of FPS on Xbox 360 compared to the total number of games doesn't shock me, especially since a good amount is just PC games being made multiplatform. It's better to have too many games than not enough. Besides, third parties are trying to hop on the bandwagon like you say, but like in most cases when such a thing happens (whenever a game of a particular genre is successful) they fail at it for the most part.
CnC said:
That game that has only skidded by due to nobody ever trying to compete with it?
I never said that, so are you saying so?
CnC said:
6 years of influence on a console and genre is not an achievement, its an exaggeration.
Hahaha, but see, the problem is that it's not exactly what you said. You told me that this franchise being still relevant was an achievement, which given its extreme vagueness I took as meaning that Halo 3 being very expected/hyped and the name Halo being still powerful in the Xbox community was an achievement in and of itself. Considering the series' status, success and influence, I don't find mere relevance to be much of an achievement. There are certainly others things about this series that are more deserving of that label, like for example the popularization of the FPS genre and online multiplayer on consoles. All in all, that's exaggerating the merit of simple "relevance" to me (something you could use to quality many games) when you know how many people are fans of the franchise. Your comment felt like the Halo name in itself, the amount of fans of the first two titles and the huge hype built by Bungie and MS didn't weigh in the balance, which I think is exaggerating, yeah.
CnC said:
haha. Unfortunately they've invented a whole new axis since Doom.
Oh wow man, what a burn.
This coming from a guy that was still trying to complete Red Alert when I was already circle jumping. XD You guys beat some 14 years old and think you're masters or something, I guess you need to believe you're good at
one game at least... You know, I also liked Marathon back when FPS weren't cool enough for you, you can diss that too if you want.
pippin22 said:
This man is in the military... Listen to what he has to say...
Was in the military. He's being kicked out intentionally for health problems. Guess some people can't stand the heat. They like to talk like they're big, but once in the field they cower back home. I'm not surprised to you identifying with such a model.
CnC said:
The save video function is pretty nifty in Halo 3. Its hard to really dispute the tape.
This just in: you can record your games in Quake 3 too.
So, have fun continuing this argument when you could be playing the game.
